Thoughts about “A letter to”

The girl who accused meThe Guardian has been doing a series of anonymous articles, subtitled The letter you always wanted to write. No one is named in any of the letters.

The letter published today is from a man in his early 20s, about an event from about six years ago: it’s directed to “the girl who accused me of rape when I was 15.”

Unlike many of the letters, this one is written almost as if the author hopes the target does read it:

I was 15 and you were 13. Exactly one year and four months apart. But they will say two years because apparently, in months, we are supposed to round up. I had never met you before, even though we went to the same school. After the usual Friday night routine of underage binge drinking and smoking to look cool, we ended up staying over at a mutual friend’s house. His not-so-traditional parents made it an ideal hangout.

The letter-writer, the 13-year-old girl, and a boy described as a “mutual friend from school” slept in the same room on three mattresses. The letter-writer and the 13-year-old girl had sex: he says the sex was consensual. He says they held hands after the lights were out, that the girl guided his hands to her breasts, that she took his belt off as he was taking her bra off, and that neither of them said anything except “Do you want to … ?” and the other said “Yes.”

Given the two of them were teenagers, by his own admission drunk, and neither of them had had sex before, this seems an inadequate negotation for enthusiastic consent. The letter-writer says:

I think we were both relieved when it finished. We didn’t use a condom, I guess because I never expected to have sex any time soon and if you did have one with you it wasn’t offered.
It was entirely mute apart from the simple, but essential, “Do you want to … ?” and “Yes.”

We parted with closed-mouth kisses and I returned to my mattress to sleep.

He woke up the next day with two police and his friend’s father shaking him awake: in another room, more police were comforting the 13-year-old girl, and the letter-writer’s friend was “shouting something” in his defence. He was arrested for rape, taken to a police station, his foster-dad came, he was interviewed “a police interview so in-depth and humiliating that I still refuse to let myself remember it” and then spent three months (October, November, and December) on bail, attending school in isolation, and having his foster-family placement reconsidered in case he was a threat to his foster-sister. In January, the charges were dropped, and he never saw the girl (one year, four months younger than him, who had attended the same school) again.

He writes:

I don’t know why you told your friend that I had raped you – maybe because you didn’t want to admit you’d had sex so casually or maybe because you were scared.
But I will never be able to forgive you for what you did to me.

You damaged my perception of women entirely and the only relationship I have since been able to sustain is with a man I can trust.

The thought that never seems to have occurred to him, in six years: what if the reason the girl said he raped her was because she didn’t consent: because he did rape a 13-year-old girl when he was 15.

From the PSHE Association:

37% of people surveyed by Amnesty International UK in 2005 felt that “A woman was partially or totally responsible for being raped if the woman had failed to clearly say ‘no’ to the man”.
A 2006 survey of young people’s attitudes found that 27% think it is acceptable for a boy to “expect to have sex with a girl” if the girl has been “very flirtatious”. It is concerning that seven years later so many of these attitudes still prevail.

This tells us we have to address enthusiastic consent, rape myths and victim blaming with young people to support them to navigate safely through their first sexual encounters. We must provide further support if these experiences turn out to be negative or nonconsensual.

Their “mutual friend”, whether he was awake or asleep when the other two had sex, appears to have defended the letter-writer. Presumably, during the months the letter-writer spent in isolation, on bail, the mutual friend defended him at school, too, and the girl had to be transferred to another school.

The letter-writer complains:

While the police seemed to hold true to innocent until proven guilty, my friends and their families certainly didn’t. Even when I returned to a you-free school, I never quite recovered.

He also says:

They did not give me any options to take action against you.

Teenage boys send rape threats to video game reviewers. Teenage boys commit rape.

In Scotland, the letter-writer would have gone before a children’s panel – who would, in principle, looked at what had gone wrong in the boy’s life and tried to make it better. (Children’s panels work, though: Scotland has a far lower juvenile recividism rate than England/Wales.) That, I think, would have been better for both him and certainly for the girl, than three months of his wondering whether he was going to be tried for rape, then being told that the charges would be dropped because it would be the girl’s word against his, and as we know, teenage girls are not considered reliable witnesses of their own rape.

Can we blame a drunk 15-year-old boy for not realising that the 13-year-old girl who had been flirting with him, who maybe wanted to have him touch her breasts, didn’t want to have sex with him?

I don’t know. (From his own description of the day he was arrested, he was still pretty drunk when the police arrived, and didn’t sober up for some hours even after he was put in a cell.) I don’t know what his background was, except for knowing he had been with a foster-family since he was twelve. I don’t know how drunk he was the night before, how drunk the 13-year-old girl was: teenagers unquestionably don’t have the same restraint and judgement as we expect of adults. Children’s panels deal with under-16s who commit crimes as children in trouble, not as adult criminals on trial, and that seems appropriate.

The girl I raped when I was 15But that a 13-year-old girl who says “I didn’t consent, I was raped” should be believed absolutely, yes.

A drunk 15-year-old boy who says he thinks the drunk 13-year-old girl who was flirting with him wants to have sex with him is not as blameworthy as an adult man who says the same thing. But a man who thinks it’s his perception of the sexual encounter that makes him able to say definitely the girl is lying when she says she didn’t consent… no, I would not trust that man not to be a rapist.

I support statutory PSHE for many reasons but one of them is that no teenage boy should be confused enough to think that it’s his perception only of a sexual encounter that determines whether it was rape.


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27 responses to “Thoughts about “A letter to”

  1. TP

    I don’t really understand how you decided that she didn’t want to have sex (any more/less than he did anyway) from the information given.

    • I don’t understand your motivation for believing she must have been lying.

      I understand why the letter-writer has told himself over and over and over again that “she said yes” was enough to ensure he didn’t rape her. But we know she didn’t consent to PIV sex, because she said so.

      • barrkel

        Do you think the situation in the letter, as described by the letter author, is ever possible?

        Leave aside the individual case. Is it possible to make a false accusation of rape?

        • Yes, false accusations of rape happen – they are far less common, though, than false accusations of car theft.

          Yet, if someone says “someone stole my car!” we don’t spend time going “Really? Are you sure? Is your car actually gone? Did you ever give permission to someone else to drive it?”

          As I noted in my comment to TP, I see the boy’s – and now the young man’s – motivation to keep telling himself that she must have lied because he’s sure she consented. I don’t see any reason for anyone else to assume that the girl must be lying, when the young man’s account of the encounter is not exactly convincing that she gave full, informed, enthusiastic consent throughout.

          • Philopatridus

            Why this strict dichotomy? Why does one of them have to lie? Sex between teenagers is frequently a mess, especially if they’re both drunk. I think the most plausible version is that she initiated intimacy, he took the initiative, initial consent was given, then somehow withdrawn, or at least she felt very badly during intercourse and had the feeling that she was raped (and, hence, by definition, was raped), but might have either been unable to express her withdrawal of consent, was not properly heard (he was drunk, too, after all). Or she might have felt violated at the end of the intercourse (because of the roughness and unpleasantness, described in the letter), but never actually explicitly said during the intercourse that she wishes to end it.
            In any case, he did something very wrong; I’m sure that, even if his account is genuine (that this is the way he remembers it and it even is the truth – but probably not the entire truth), the girl felt violated. And therefore she indeed was violated.
            Should she have silenced that? Of course not. Should the boy have been treated so ruthlessly by society, as a rapist, hence a monster? Of course not. His dignity was infringed. I agree the Scottish system, as you describe it, would probably handle it better.
            However, his decision not to admit the whole story or to stick to what he remembered, is also a fundamental human right and should be taken very seriously. No-one should be, under no condition, forced to testify against his own interest, nor should there be an organized societal pressure to do so. He did as every 15 year old in his condition (that is, as it seems, genuinely convinced he didn’t do anything wrong) would do. Who would be so fool as to admit, under such circumstances, say, that at a certain moment he also thought the ‘game’ had gone too far, that he just wanted to be done with it, although he sensed (heard?) the complaints of the partner, or, say, that he misinterpreted her grievances as mere signs of pain or urges to finish soon rather than stop it? If he admitted that, his life would have been ruined for sure.
            If this is what happened, then he did something very wrong. But this doesn’t mean he’s a bad person. When, however, you get caught into an ordeal designed not only to enable due procedure of law and normal precautions (for examples, prevent possible intimidations of the victim), but to stigmatize the person and create a villain, a monster out of a boy who is only a crime suspect and nothing more, then how can you react psychologically but by suppressing the bad memories and fully believing your account of the story?
            I’m also inclined to believe the girl. But this doesn’t prevent me to feel compassion for the boy, and denounce as diabolic the social stigmatization inflicted on him.
            We have a legal system for a reason: so that the due course of justice decides the fate of the alleged perpetrators, and we don’t need to, like in the Middle Ages, submit them to public shaming.
            The girl probably felt raped, hence she was raped. In such circumstances, it was probably impossible to prove it. Would have been morally right for the boy to admit it, to search in his soul & memory and ask himself why on earth did she go through this whole procedure to claim that she was raped if she, indeed, wasn’t raped? Of course. Should we infer from this moral imperative an imperative to voluntary submit himself, especially at that age, to legal consequences? Of course not. Such imperative doesn’t exist, and all western legal systems recognize its absence (the famous 5th amendment to the US Constitution).
            Should society feel entitled to punish the boy on behalf of the legal system, to treat him as a perpetrator and completely disregard presumption of innocence? Of course not! If we take the girl’s word (and I don’t think why we shouldn’t), then it seems obvious to me that it was precisely this dangerous presumption of guilt that has prevented penance in this case.

          • You appear not to have read my blog post, yet written a long comment in response to things I didn’t say?

      • Charlie

        I think its extremely unfair that you automatically assume the boys lying just because he has given a letter as to what he believes to be true. You also jumped to the conclusion that the case was dropped simply because it was his word againts hers, it never specifies in the letter why the case was dropped. You are just proving the point that all the concern is about how women are too scared to come forward about their rapes or what not, but no one seems to care about the damage done to men for false accusations of rape. His life is permanently damaged because of what he was accused of, and yes a 15 year old boy shouldnt be held to the same standards as an adult. Just like the girl shouldnt be, she may have well realised that she didnt want to do it in the morning and decided it was rape, even though she did indeed say yes at the time. I know from personal experience how easy that is to do. Especially in high school when youre so ashamed of what happened because of how others will view you. Additionally what does accusations of car theft have to do with rape? Claiming theft which is false will most likely be for a tax right off, accusing someone of rape could be for a number of reasons… You’re trying to make the guy sound like he is in the wrong by saying “he kept telling himself that she said yes”. Perhaps she kept telling herself she didnt… When I lost my virginity I wasnt exactly “enthusiastic” about my consent,there was no moaning and groaning, repeatedly saying his name letting him know how keen I was. It hurt, it was uncomfortable and it was not pleasurable to say the least. I lay there in silence begging for it to be over, not saying I didnt want it because I did, but I certainly didnt enjoy it. If I was to accuse him of rape he would have a far less convincing “story claiming I consented”. You are so quick to back up the girl, yet no one bothered to back up him, which I think is the whole point of the letter, he isnt trying to convince himself that it wasnt rape he is trying to make a point of how damaging it can be to falsely accuse someone of something like that, especially in high school when those sort of things stick. Without even going to the police you can label someone as a rapist. I think you should put yourself in his shoes and imagine how horrific something like this would be.

        • I think its extremely unfair that you automatically assume the boys lying just because he has given a letter as to what he believes to be true.

          Yet you support the boy’s assertion that the girl is lying, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that she was.

          Why do you think it’s “extremely unfair” for me to believe that the girl is telling the truth, while not at all unfair for you to believe that the girl is lying?

  2. Philopatridus

    The legal system isn’t set up to punish bad people. Or to make them better. That is not its purpose. It punishes crimes, working from strict observance of presumption of innocence and the notion in dubio pro reo. If someone is found guilty, he is proportionately sentenced and in this is his way to pay his debt.
    Social stigma, on the other hand, stays forever. It doesn’t follow the due precautions set for legal sanctions, one cannot defend himself. Therefore, it’s utterly unjust. And since it’s unjust, it prevents rather than facilitates repentance.
    If this is the standard (or even the prevalent) procedure in English schools and social services in such cases, then it is nothing else than a system to inflict social stigma, and thus utterly unjust.

  3. fusenn

    What an odd blog post. From an outside perspective (I find this link via twitter after searching for reactions to the guardian letter) you seem to just want to deny the idea that the girl cried rape falsely completely without any real evidence to back it up.

    Do I understand your thought as – They’d both been drinking, he’s a boy and so he must have forced himself on her to the point the girl was scared to say no?

    Why is it so unlikely that he’s given the account exactly as it happened and they were both young and both were willing to go ahead with it at the time then she regretted it for whatever reason in the morning? Other than she could never have possibly lied before she’s just a young innocent girl and he’s the evil boy.

  4. Philopatridus

    I’m sorry if this was the impression I gave. These were just my thoughts on the Guardian story, your blog entry and twitter comments.

  5. Cas Chich

    Philopatridus, your post at 9:49pm on the 30/11/2014 speaks some actual common sense. Probably the first I have seen in this fairly sad excuse for a blog. I genuinely have no idea how I came across this blog and I know for a fact that I will probably never find it again (which is a relief).

    I’m not going to go ahead and apologise for all the male rapists in the world just because I am male. I understand they are sick and need help. It’s an illness and it’s absolutely horrific.

    I get it. You think the guy should have got a blood oath from the girl and a signed waiver saying she consented to the sex. Maybe a lawyer should have been present on her behalf to testify it’s validity. But it just doesn’t happen like that. It begins as an agreement and it grows from there.

    It’s funny how one drunken night of excitement and tomfoolery can suddenly change with the rise of the sun to regret and panic. “What did I do last night?” and “Will I be pregnant?”. If the girl suddenly decides that she didn’t enjoy it does that mean the guy forced himself on her?

    Oh what power women must wield. With the flick of an opinion she can change a man’s life forever. Consensual to rape. How could a man ever really prove that he didn’t penetrate a woman against her will if she says so.

    Have a look at NFL hopeful Brian Banks who was accused of rape in 2002 by a female classmate and spent the next five years in prison. He eventually met with the girl and recorded her admitting to fabricating the story and falsely accusing him of rape.

    That’s five years in prison for something he never did.

    I get it. There have been numerous cases where the situation has been abused and guys have forced themselves on girls. Guys can get raped and abused too. But it’s fairly uncommon to hear of it.

    I’m not defending rape or rapists. I am defending those who have been wrongly accused merely because the sun rose and the girl (or guy) changed their mind. Uncle Ben from Spiderman said something valid. “With great power comes great responsibility.”

    Great you are standing up for what you believe. Your blog is an absolute joke and the fact that you took the girl’s side after quoting and referencing an article from the male’s perspective is absolutely perplexing. You are doing nothing but feeding the issue.

    Feminism has moved on to Misandry.

    Kind regards,

    Someone who will never read your horrendous excuse for a blog again ever.

  6. lexysan

    @Cas Chich,thank you for saying that.Although I dont agree with the ‘feminsism has moved to misandry part’ I do agree to every single word you had to say about this post.It does not become rape just because you regret it,and no matter who it is – a woman or a man,they are responsible for the things they do.If the girl falsely accused the boy,its always going to be on her without taking the issue of gender into consideration.Justice is blind,there is no gender,no status to the eyes of justice.

    • There is literally no evidence whatsoever that the girl falsely accused the boy.

      The young man, six years later, clearly wants to believe he was falsely accused: but his beliefs she consented do not create consent on her part.

      • Theres no evidence because its not a court hearing. He is simply trying to make a point about the detrimental effects accusing someone of rape can cause.
        But to add to that where is the proof that what the guy said is made up?
        It is people like you that make it seem acceptable for this kind of behave. Why the fuck shouldnt we question her accusations, this is a serious offense, if i claimed someone attempted to kill me, the police arent going to be like oh sweet we will go arrest him now. The boy wasnt even 16, imagine how you were when you were 15 do you think you were mature enough to have sex, maybe shes just saying yes because she doesnt know how to say no. Its horrible that people like you wont even take into consideration his version, you automatically assume that the guy is the wrong and it must have been rape because how awful if we question her and she thinks we dont believe her. How fucking awful if you dont question it and you ruin a 15 year old boys life forever. He will be permanently scarred from that, that girl will move on, it will be some dumb thing she did when she was younger, we all grow up from high school and forget the “dumb rumours” we started. But this boy was in jail, he had his friends and family look and treat him differently. Its girls like this which make people question the legitimacy of a rape claim.

        • He is simply trying to make a point about the detrimental effects accusing someone of rape can cause.

          Indeed, while neither he nor you show the slightest concern about the detrimental effects of raping someone, then claiming she was lying.

          • This is one of the most blindly bias things I’ve ever read and I don’t understand why you are being so stubborn in defense of it. Yes we get it, you think that it is likely he has twisted the story in his head and arguably he could have done it. and that rape is an abhorrent and horrific crime, they haven’t shown concern for it because it’s obvious… and the reason that you seem to be oblivious to is that it is arguably equally horrible to falsely accuse someone of rape. It seems that you don’t see any reason that the girl should lie because you don’t want to. The facts are that the only evidence we have to go off is this one account… and there are plenty of reasons she could lie! she may have been ashamed as he said or she could have woken up not remembered anything but, as Charlie said.. could feel that it had happened and assumed it was him (based on his description of her reaction I think this is likely) in any case… theres loads of reasons she might have said it but more importantly having lied, as a 13 year old girl she’s never going to take it back because best case scenario, then she is alienated by the school instead or in her mind the worst case is that she is arrested herself. I am not saying these are definitely what happened, merely speculating like you however he claims there was consent and he wasnt convicted so I dont see why you are so determined not to believe him. Furthermore, remember that this is an article he sent to a newspaper after 6 years NOT HIS ARGUMENT FOR HIS DEFENSE IN COURT. This distinction is key because as we’ve established they both have reasons to lie in their defense at the time, however that is vastly different from your claims that he has deluded even himself to the point that he has written this letter 5 years on (which as an anonymous letter would benefit no one except maybe providing a sense of closure or to give a genuine insight into an issue that has dictated his life). The issue here which you don’t seem to understand even more so is the fact that, as you say maybe negotiations were not sufficient but is that his fault? I’m all for ‘no means no’ but your argument seems to dictate that the man, and only the man, should seem to have some kind of written letter with at least 32 signatures on it before sex, after all as far he claims she said yes but that doesnt seem to be enough for you. Maybe you have never had a one night stand but I can assure that is not how it happens. Whilst in 99.99% of occasions obviously both parties are consenting it is unlikely to be that clear. So as I said, no means no but even if that does mean you need a definite yes your assumption seems to be that that is always the job of the male? I’m sure I’ll be accused of being incredibly insensitive for this but to put it in perspective instead of the illogical example you said of stealing a car it is more like online shopping whilst drunk (please bare with me) if you bought something whilst drunk you presumably liked it at the time, but then obviously whilst sober regretted it but you would put it down to you being drunk. I use this example because it is actually gender neutral whilst the penetretive act of sex isnt because of social norms, stereotypes and the act itself. However I feel both parties have a responsibility to be sober enough to make an informed decision. You can argue that they werent in a suitable state to have an informed negotiation but then how does that mean that this is naturally the males fault? Maybe it is wrong to assume female has given consent based on flirting, or even by reciprocating advances, but I fail to see what you think he, a drunk 15 year old boy, or anyone, would have done differently? Again, I’m not condoning rape but I feel like your accusations do nothing but dilute the severity of actual rape claims and promote the idea that false accusations are not as serious as they clearly are.

          • Curious how all the commenters who accuse me of being biased are all determined to believe that a 13-year-old girl falsely accused a boy of rape – despite having literally zero evidence for their position.

          • “Curious how all the commenters who accuse me of being biased are all determined to believe that a 13-year-old girl falsely accused a boy of rape – despite having literally zero evidence for their position.”

            Now I find it hard to believe that anyone writes a blog for the simple purpose of trolling so I’m going to assume that you are both incredibly stubborn and also unwilling to listen to another opinion which makes this reply a completely pointless exercise, but oh well let’s give it ago anyway.

            My point about you being biased was based entirely on your replies. Your orignial article did put forward a valid alternative point of view which generally people have tried to counter, I even said he could well have done but as I say, I see little purpose in someone writing a lie to a paper 6 years after the event. Moreover we do have evidence, the only testimony we have is his and the fact that the charges were dropped which I hasten to add he doesn’t elaborate on why in the article… you made the assumption that it was her word against his, she could have dropped them for all we know? Now unless you have some extra knowledge of the case that you aren’t sharing I just dont understand why you are so adament to believe that he’s lying and not her? I’ve conceded that she may have been telling the truth I don’t see why you are so sure that his account is false? whilst there is little evidence for our claims there is none for yours. So surely you could at least acknowledge the possibility that the only insight you have into this is the correct one, after all you yourself said that false allegations of rape do happen.

            Also, as for your ‘In other words, he raped her. Thanks for acknowledging that.’ about him ‘taking initiative’ What do you propose he should have done differently (particularly based on the fact that he says that he did actually ask!) based on your definition of rape in this I fear for the country because 90% of its adult male population are probably potential rapists then. You say it is wrong for him to go off his perception but what else does he have? I absolutely believe that if the girl has initiated intimacy in the way that she has if she changes her mind its her duty to let the guy know given the severity of the alternative. Therefore, if you reply to nothing else please just answer this… based on the fact that he claims he did actually ask, at what point should he have stopped his advances?

            So far I’m thinking that you assume that some kind of ‘3 thrust and check if she’s still ok’ approach should be undertaken?

          • ” I see little purpose in someone writing a lie to a paper 6 years after the event. ”

            But what makes you think I think he’s lying?

            “Lying” is the wrong word for the boy-become-a-man’s mental processes over the past six years, as he taught himself to reject utterly the high probability that the 13-year-old girl was telling the truth: she did not consent to sex with him, and therefore he raped her.

            I have some sympathy with a fifteen-year-old boy who perhaps genuinely did misread what was going on, and perhaps did not and has told himself ever since that he’s sure she consented. But I have no sympathy for the man writing the letter whose only thought about the 13-year-old girl he raped six years ago is that she must have been lying.

            And only contempt for those who haven’t even the boy-become-a-man’s rationale/excuse, of having been badly treated by the police (the situation was a clear example of how Scotland’s Children’s Panels are infinitely better than the English system) – to tell themselves they’re sure the 13-year-old girl was lying. You have no reason to suppose she was.

            . based on the fact that he claims he did actually ask, at what point should he have stopped his advances?

            When he realised she really didn’t want to.

            If he genuinely never did, if the first moment he realised she hadn’t wanted him to fuck her was when he woke up and found he was being taken into police custody, well – a better man would have taken from that the lesson that consent is enthusiastic and ongoing, not an unspecific “yes” assumed to be irrevocable permission.

            That so many men apparently have no notion that consenting sex isn’t a matter of getting a single “yes” out of the girl after which you get to do anything you like, and resent forever any implication afterward that this wasn’t what she wanted – well. we have a terrible sex education system in this country, which fills me with despair.

          • Everyone on here has said it hundreds of times- we have every reason to suppose she was lying because we only have one account to go off which is his! He is the one witness and who are you to question his credibility? Who knows, maybe you know something about it none of the rest of us do? But if not why do you think it’s more likely that he will have twisted the entire thing in his head than to just take his word for it.

            As for your warped idea of consent. You do realise that that implies that any man who isn’t psychic could be a rapist? No one said it’s irrevocable But if you say yes to a guy it is absolutely your duty to tell him if you change your mind if the alternative is a life changing rape accusation! It is not the mans job to read minds, particularly in this case when they are both drunk and the lights are off, if she doesn’t say something then how is he suppose to know? Especially when it’s the guys first time, how’s he going to know what to expect. I agree that there’s failure of sex education but in that girls might be afraid to say no after having already said yes. With that being said if they don’t tell the guy it is unfortunate but it does not make him a rapist as to the best of his knowledge he is doing nothing wrong. Does he deserve to be convicted of rape because.a girl felt uncomfortable but put on a brave face?

            Anyway, based on the fact that you seem determined to stick to your alternative version of the story and seem to have made no attempt to understand the vast majority of the respondents’ points of view which all disagree with you, I give up, because as much as I’d love to debate this, you are clearly either ridiculously stubborn or just plain trolling. Either way any further attempts to convince you would probably just be wasting my time.

  7. keaton

    Philopatridus: “I think the most plausible version is that she initiated intimacy, he took the initiative”

    How are both possible?

    • Ok let me make it simple for you, its a fancy way of saying, she made the first move with flirting and foreplay and he kept going and took it a step further by sleeping with her. So she initiated the first intimacy and he took the intiative to take it further.

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  9. Balljig

    If she let him in its not rape.

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